Simply Thinking, High Living? Godless Civilizations

This depositing in the bank and thinking that I am getting good interest, that is another cheating. It is another cheating. If things are not available, what will you get by getting interest? Therefore I am advising that purchase land and produce our own food. There will be no problem. - Srila Prabhupada

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We as devotees know that Lord Krishna owns everything in the universe including this planet, however there are many who want to act as gods and they do this not within their lifespan and then continue through the next generations. One can find a huge amount of information on these topics of who owns what in this world economy, which is artificial and causes itself to collapse after it sucks out all the resources – animals, plants, aquatic life, rivers, air, land, water, soil, microorganisms and people.

Ideal life is simple living and high thinking, not simply living no thinking.

Lord Krishna has created this planet perfectly, in the past 100 years oceans are rising, epidemics are spreading, climates are changing, all creatures are killed and the oceans, rivers, groundwater and air are heavily polluted. There comes a point in time where one has to ask is this system really all worth it.

Other questions arise, people often blame God – Why are people dying of starvation? Well why not ask the richest people that same question – but first find out who really is the richest in this falsely created construct of what we call industry and economy.

IF all that wealth and effort was dovetailed to grow food for the worlds people no one would starve, instead to protect a false economy farm produce is dumped, it does not take much to research – farmers often dump milk, grains, fruit because it costs too much while children die of starvation in some part of the world? Do you think that is fair? Well, it is just business, even karma one might say? But this is not the way, the majority of forests are destroyed to grow food to feed animals that are later eaten by people, half of this is wasted. We need to ask ourselves is this really civilized? How can we call this civilization?

We live in a society where the truth is often hidden, but truth also has a way of coming out, this is going be a shocker, something hidden in plain sight, please watch this systematic video presentation on how a few corporations and even fewer people control what is essentially a false economy. It was designed in this way from banks to the industrial revolution.

According Wikipedia, oligarchy (from Greek word Oligarkhía) “is a form of power structure in which power rests with a small number of people. These people may or may not be distinguished by one or several characteristics, such as nobility, fame, wealth, education, corporate, religious, political, or military control. Throughout history, oligarchies have often been tyrannical, relying on public obedience or oppression to exist. Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as meaning rule by the rich,[4] for which another term commonly used today is plutocracy. In the early 20th century Robert Michels developed the theory that democracies, like all large organizations, have a tendency to turn into oligarchies. In his “Iron law of oligarchy” he suggests that the necessary division of labor in large organizations leads to the establishment of a ruling class mostly concerned with protecting their own power.”

Please watch this video that explains how the modern world economy is run by very few people who have little interest in your welfare, and more interest in your being a slave to their well planned system of economy.

Monopoly: An Overview Of The Great Reset – Follow The Money

The following interesting conversation took place with ISKCON’s founder acharya Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada on December 31, 1973, during a morning walk in Los Angeles wherein he explains in simple words how the modern economy cheats the people and increases sinful activities. Why not try the Krishna conscious alternative -the gold standard?

Prajapati: Actually, I was concerned this morning about inflation. The government and the newspapers, they say the biggest problem today is inflation. From our Krishna conscious standpoint, how can we cure this problem of inflation?
Prabhupada: It is very simple. Don’t accept paper currency. It must be gold or some metal worth. Just like one dollar, it must be worth one dollar metal. Then it is solved. But they want to cheat. How it can be solved? Because if I pay you one dollar, I must pay you value for one dollar. But it is the cheating process is going on, “I pay you one dollar, a piece of paper.” That’s all. So you accept cheating, and I also cheat. Government allows. So how the problem can be solved? It is cheating. But the government allows it as law. And you accept, I accept. Then how they can be solved, solution? This is the solution.
Prajapati: In the economy itself there isn’t actually enough money to…, that’s even in the banks…
Prabhupada: That is cheating. Therefore I say cheating. I have no money. I give you simply paper. I promise to pay hundred dollars. What is the use of that promise if I have no money? But you want to be cheated, I cheat you. That’s all. You are satisfied of being cheated by me; so I take the advantage and I cheat you. I give you a paper. That’s all.
Bahulasva: Real money is gold and silver?
Prabhupada: Any… It must be value. According to the market price, it must be value, whatever it may be. Gold is taken, because gold is the most valuable metal. A small piece of gold, it can carry two hundred dollars. But if I give you iron, then you have to bring another, what is called, bus, to carry it. [laughter] So therefore gold standard is accepted everywhere. There is a standard price of gold, so when I pay you money, it must be…, carry the value in gold. That’s all. Then there is no inflation. The people want to be cheated, and people cheat. That’s all.
Bahulasva: In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Prabhupada, you say that Kali became gold standardized.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Bahulasva: In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, in the purport…
Prabhupada: That is another point, that one who has gold, he can purchase these four kinds of sinful activities: meat-eating, gambling, intoxication, illicit sex. If you have money, you can get illicit sex from big, big quarters. Is it not?
Karandhara: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. The sinful activities have increased because the world has produced too much wealth. Because they can purchase sinful activities. And that is being increased by inflation. False money I have got, and with that false money I can purchase all this illicit sex, wine, intoxication and… Because it is just like nowadays, bank is giving you a card, “American… Americard…” What is that?
Karandhara: Charge card. Bank Americard.
Prabhupada: Ah. So you simply show the card, you get the goods. So to exchange, it has become very cheap. So cheaply you can purchase. Therefore cheaply you can purchase sinful things also. The people are becoming sinful. The modern economy is, “Engage people in hard working to produce, and by artificial cheating, secure the goods, commodities.” This is modern economy. So a worker is getting three thousand dollar per month, but he is getting paper. But he is thinking that “I am getting money.” He is giving his labor, and things are being produced. This is the policy. “Cheat him. Without giving money, give him paper, and get his labor and produce goods.” This is modern economy. Is it not?
Bahulasva: Yes.
Prabhupada: A laborer, a worker, is given high salary, high wages. So what he is getting? It is paper. And he is very enthusiastic to give his labor. So production is more. And when you go to purchase the products, then you have to pay again. Whatever you have earned, you have to pay everything, pay to the bank or pay to the man. Simply cheating process is going on. There is no solution. People are cheaters. They have been taught how to cheat. Everyone has got a cheating propensity. That is conditioned life. Four defects: to commit mistake, to become illusioned, to cheat and imperfectness of the senses. So cheating propensity everyone has got. So that cheating propensity is being encouraged more and more. Instead of minimizing it or stop it, it is being encouraged.
Bahulasva: So unless they become Krishna conscious, then there is no solution.
Prabhupada: No. Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-gunah [SB 5.18.12].
[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord’s external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]
There cannot be any good quality in human society unless accepts Krishna consciousness. This is the… This dog is thinking that we may not cheat him; from the back we may not attack him. Just see. Therefore he is stopping.
Bahulasva: He doesn’t know that you are the ever well-wisher, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So you are going to carry the message to the government?
Prajapati: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. We’re working on a…
Prabhupada: That issue metal coin and the problem will be solved. But they will not take your advice. [laughter]
Prajapati: This is part of our platform. To even run for political office, we need solutions to the problems to offer as a platform. We will draw up various bills, ready for legislation, show them that we are serious.
Prabhupada: So how you’ll present it? The cheating process is going on. Unless you become God conscious, the cheating process will not stop. So there is no solution.
Prajapati: So therefore we introduce bill into the schools to introduce God consciousness to all the children there.
Prabhupada: Yes. God consciousness. Then everyone will be honest, and everything will be adjusted. Everyone can understand this is pure cheating. I give you a hundred dollars, a piece of paper, that’s all. And you accept it. You want to be cheated. You thought that “I have got now daily, hundred dollars. So let me work very hard.” He does not consider that “I am not getting a hundred dollars. I am getting a piece of paper.” So people have no brain to understand even. “This is not hundred dollar. Give me cash, hundred dollar.”
Then everything, solution will be… There will be no inflation. Because I know that paying you a piece of paper, I can cheat you, therefore I am printing notes to cheat so many people. Therefore inflation. But when there will be no possibility to cheat you, then there will be no inflation. Here I have got the opportunity, because I know that pushing forward a piece of paper, I can cheat so many people. So there must be inflation. Is it not? This is not psychological? If I know that I can cheat you by this instrument, so why shall I not increase that? That is inflation. What do you think, Karandhara?
Karandhara: That’s the basic principle, yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. I am cheating you, and people accepting my cheating.
Karandhara: The governments actually started the whole thing. They instituted paper money, and they instituted it because it is a cheating process. But everyone is participating, so it is just going on and on. That is the real cause of inflation.
Prabhupada: Yes. That’s it. They are getting encouragement in their cheating business.
Bahulasva: They won’t let you have any gold.
Prabhupada: Now they have made law that you cannot store gold?
Bahulasva: Yes.
Karandhara: That’s been since 1933.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Karandhara: Americans cannot own gold, store gold. Pretty soon they are going to pass the same law for silver.
Prabhupada: Just see. Even they cannot have ornaments.
Karandhara: Well, you can have ornaments, jewelry.
Prabhupada: So by law they are cheating. So how you can stop?
Karandhara: Now they have introduced a law that even the penny, which is the smallest denomination, it used to be made out of copper, so now they are going to make it out of aluminum, because copper is too expensive.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Bahulasva: It will be worth less than a penny when it is made out of aluminum.
Prabhupada: Why not cement? [laughter] Because by law everything will be acceptable. Make it cement.
Bahulasva: Srila Prabhupada, what can we do to curb down these rascals?
Prabhupada: Chant Hare Krishna.
Bahulasva: That will curb them down.
Prabhupada: Yes. They will be purified. The more you chant Hare Krishna, they will be purified. This is… All problems are there on account of misunderstanding. What we are distributing? We are simply moving misunderstanding and bringing them to knowledge. This is our propaganda. So Mr. Theologician, is this suggestion appealing to you?
Prajapati: It seems all right for ordinary dealings, Srila Prabhupada, having this money, for the…, what’s going on, but for large-scale transactions it might be very difficult.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Prajapati: And as the practical basis, transactions of thousands and thousands of dollars would be…
Prabhupada: That will be good for the people. Because large-scale transaction is there, therefore the capitalists hoarding. Capitalists hoarding. Goods are there, everything is there. You pay black price, you get it. Then, when somebody’s hoarding, he is not giving to the market. So if the large-scale industry and trade becomes stopped, that is good for people.
Jagajjivana: Does that mean the same amount of gold is here?
Prabhupada: No, larger scale… Suppose if you want to store, say, thousand kilos or a thousand bags of rice, so you have to pay me gold. But you have no such gold. Therefore large-scale industry will be stopped. Just see.
Karandhara: Then the price of rice would go very low.
Prabhupada: Yes. Then you get actual price and actual value. Goods are there, any part of the world you…, there is enough commodity. But these rascals, they are hoarding, and they are not giving in right time. So people are suffering.
Karandhara: Yes. There’s a… They buy now. They buy the goods before they are even grown, from the commodity market.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, because they can pay in this paper, the bank
will advance.
Karandhara: They don’t even pay in paper. They…
Prabhupada: So as soon as you… You have to introduce this metal coins, value. The whole cheating scheme will fail.
Jagajjivana: In the past, Srila Prabhupada, there was a lot of gold…
Prabhupada: Huh?
Jagajjivana: In the past, there was a lot of gold on the planet. What has happened to it? There used to be a lot of gold on the planet?
Prabhupada: Yes. They used to…, as utensil, as household pots. Just like now you are advanced, using plastic, because you have b
ecome very advanced. So you are using plastic. They were using gold.
Jagajjivana: So what has happened to that gold?
Prabhupada: What happened? If you keep utensil at home, what happens? You eat nicely on the plate. That’s all. Why you are concerned what happening? It is in your store. That’s all. And gold is such a metal, any part of the country, any part of the world you go, you get immediately value.
Karandhara: Yes. Whenever there is an economic depression, then gold remains valuable. Just like when the stock market crashed in 1929, if you had gold you could still purchase goods. No matter how bad the economy was, people would accept gold as barter, but not
currency.
Prabhupada: Yes. Indian economy was that if you have got extra money, you get gold ornament for your wife. So then your money is stocked there. Or purchase some utensils, silver utensils. That was Indian economy. This depositing in the bank and thinking that I am getting good interest, that is another cheating. It is another cheating. If things are not available, what will you get by getting interest? Therefore I am advising that purchase land and produce our own food. There will be no problem.
Karandhara: The inflation rate is higher than the interest rate. If you earn 5 3/4% interest in a year, the inflation has gone up 6% in a year. So actually your money is…, at best it’s kept the same.
Prabhupada: The money should be kept in cattle and grain. That is Indian economy, cattle and grain. If you have got many cows, you get milk, milk preparation. And if you have got grain, then what is your problem? You prepare your foodstuff at home and eat, and chant Hare Krishna. Where is your problem? You want to eat and live peacefully. So if you have got grains and milk, you have got enough food and there is no problem. You haven’t got to go fifty miles for your work, and then you require a tin car. So many problems. But if you get your food at home, then eat them and chant Hare Krishna and go back to home, back to Godhead. Simple thing.
Prajapati: So many people now employed in sinful activities, jobs that are to do with sinful life. If we get rid of these sinful activities, what will we find for these people to do to replace their jobs?
Prabhupada: Do pious activities. Do you mean to say we have to continue sinful activities for their job? [laughter]
Prajapati: They say like that.
Prabhupada: No, we shall give engagement.
Prajapati: Cattle industry, liquor industry, tobacco industry, all these big industries.
Prabhupada: Yes. Let them be without industry. Come to us. We shall give them food. Yes. Just like that… What is that? Mrgari, Mrgari. He was thinking that “Unless I kill animals, how I will eat, I shall live?” And Narada gave him, that “I will give you to eat. Come here.” So he became Vaisnava. So that is our propaganda. “Stop this nonsense business. If you think that how you shall eat, I shall give you eating. Come on.” This is our program. “First of all you stop it. Then I will…, see how I will give you.” Just see. When I came first I was alone. I had no shelter, no food. And how we are maintaining now thousands of people, and giving them to eat, and nice shelter? How it is possible? It is possible. Because after all, Krishna gives everything. So if they become Krishna-ized, everything will come. Why they bother about the sinful activities?
Visnujana: Dhananjaya. Like you said this morning, Dhananjaya.
Prabhupada: Yes, Dhananjaya.
Visnujana: Krishna will tell us where to…
Prabhupada: Yes, where to get money. We have solution for all problems. Don’t bother. Go on with Krishna consciousness movement. Do you think our solution all impractical?
Prajapati: No, Srila Prabhupada. They are not impractical.
Prabhupada: Then, what do you think?
Karandhara: No. They are the only practical solution.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Karandhara: The karmis are always saying there is no solution.
Prabhupada: We say we have got solution.
Bahulasva: They don’t want the solution, Prabhupada. They don’t want the solution.
Prabhupada: That is another thing. They want to be cheated. That’s all.
Bahulasva: Just like now is the gasoline problem. Now the scientists want to use sun energy. They want to make a new energy, solar energy, from the sun.
Prabhupada: That is another bluff.
Bahulasva: We were preaching in Mexico that “You simply perform the sankirtana-yajna and Krishna will supply all energy.”
Prabhupada: Yes. He is the source of all energy.
Karandhara: Most economists, they realize that the economy is very faulty and superficial, but they say, “Well, that’s the way it is. So I’m going to take advantage of it while I can.”
Prabhupada: Why not take advantage of this Krishna consciousness movement and try it? As you are trying so many method, why not try this?
Visnujana: They say, “We want to regress and become like India.” If everyone becomes devotees, then they’ll all walk around like us and regress.
Prabhupada: There is no devotee in India, real devotee, at the present moment.
Visnujana: So they classify us like that. They say, “You Hare Krishna people, you want to take us back to cholera and dysentery and everything.”
Prabhupada: But you are already suffering from cancer. What you have done? [laughter] Instead of cholera, you have got cancer. Is that very good exchange?
(Morning Walk – December 31, 1973, Los Angeles)